The Most Dangerous Idea In The World: Women Have Agency

[Anon E. Moose]

While liberals, conservatives, and many other groups have different ideas, one thing they will agree on is that women have no agency. Here is a sampling of answers you would get if you asked members of various groups if women have agency (and they answered honestly).

Liberals: No, anything bad a woman does is the fault of the patriarchy and sexism. The world is ruled by misogynistic conservative men, and women have no power. Anything good that happens to women is the result of “benevolent sexism” which women have no control over. Women are forced into becoming housewives and mothers they do not want to be.

Conservatives: No, anything bad a woman does is the fault of liberals and feminists tricking them. Women don’t even have agency when it comes to abortions which are the result of trickery by men. Women are forced into jobs and careers they do not want.

White (Vagina Worshiping) Nationalists: No, anything bad a woman does is the result of the Jews and minorities tricking them into feminism and multiculturalism. The Jews have been so successful in tricking women that they can convinced (white) women to act against their own race. Everything bad a woman does is caused by the Jews so women aren’t responsible for the bad acts they do.

Conspiracy Theorists: No, anything bad a woman does is the result of the Rockefellers, the Jews, and other rich people conspiring to trick women into feminism. The real enemy is the Rockefellers, the Jews, etc. (and minorities) who are conspiring to depopulate the world so women aren’t responsible for their behavior.

Roissyite Gamers: No, women’s bad acts are the correct biological response to men who have no game. Women can’t be held responsible for their own biology.

I could list many other groups, but its always the same. They all believe women have no agency. In fact the only groups that believe women have agency are MRAs and MGTOW.

Women having agency is the most dangerous idea in the world right now, dangerous to women and manginas at any rate. If a person has agency, then that person is responsible for their own actions. If a person doesn’t have agency then that person is not responsible for their actions. If you want to avoid being held responsible or accountable for your actions, then you need to convince the world that you have no agency. And that is what women did (except for MRAs and MGTOW). The idea of women having agency is dangerous because if enough men start believing it, those men will hold women responsible for their actions. Women will be forced to deal with the same standards of accountability as men. This would be an outright disaster for women because they would be exposed for the frauds, feral children, and in some cases criminals that they are.

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[mia2ndpassword]

is this LoadingXML? the writting style also seem to be a bit pruned

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I don't want women to deal with the same accountability standards as men. Not because I hate gender equality, but because it would just mean they'd be treated more harshly than now. It's the same illogic that says "men are getting drafted, so draft the women too". The goal should be to DECREASE the cruel "accountability standards" that apply today. For example, MRAs often complain about the sentencing disparity but the solution is prison abolition, instead of equalizing the sentencing...

[molly]

"no agency"
Did this forum suddenly change to non English speaking?

[qualia]

"no agency"
Did this forum suddenly change to non English speaking?

What? Admittedly I'm ESL but I don't think that person's usage of the word is incorrect?

Double-checked with the Wiktionary entry and it seems fine to me.

2. (sociology, philosophy, psychology) The capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices.

[Anon E. Moose]

I don't want women to deal with the same accountability standards as men. Not because I hate gender equality, but because it would just mean they'd be treated more harshly than now. It's the same illogic that says "men are getting drafted, so draft the women too". The goal should be to DECREASE the cruel "accountability standards" that apply today. For example, MRAs often complain about the sentencing disparity but the solution is prison abolition, instead of equalizing the sentencing...

Typical progressive viewpoint delivered by an infamous conspiracy nut job. Conspiracy is a crank theory held by powerless, willfully ignorant individuals, and is fundamentally irrational, and does not deserve more attention.

Progressive ideas are long overdue waiting for their own tombstone, though.

On the surface of it, prison abolition is an interesting proposal, but the link you posted before leads to a page written with misandrist thought terminating clichés in mind, among which are misogyny, patriarchy and anti male coded sexual violence concerns.

Given a society with no prisons there would still be crime, and thus the need for consequences; and it takes courage to assert that today's society is extremely punitive towards men in every aspect of life while women have very little responsibility all around regardless of whether or not the police are involved.

The only truly just prison abolition strategy must have a pro male core:

• Misogyny doesn't exist
• "Misogynists" are feminist controlled opposition
• Misandric acts are normalized by society
• Patriarchy is an irrational conspiracy theory
• Pro male ideas are suppressed with women's welfare concerns
• Women commit more sex crimes than men
• All men are anti male to a certain degree
• Solitary is still better than a shared cell

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Typical progressive viewpoint delivered by an infamous conspiracy nut job. Conspiracy is a crank theory held by powerless, willfully ignorant individuals, and is fundamentally irrational, and does not deserve more attention.

How is it "typical"? Very few progressives are prison abolitionists. Also, what conspiracy did I propose? And if it doesn't deserve attention, why did you post this long post?

On the surface of it, prison abolition is an interesting proposal, but the link you posted before leads to a page written with misandrist thought terminating clichés in mind, among which are misogyny, patriarchy and anti male coded sexual violence concerns.

Given a society with no prisons there would still be crime, and thus the need for consequences; and it takes courage to assert that today's society is extremely punitive towards men in every aspect of life while women have very little responsibility all around regardless of whether or not the police are involved.

I doubt you even read the link. It explains why "punishment" is not a solution for "crime". The prison section also says nothing about patriarchy.

You are also wrong when you say women have "very little responsibility". The vast majority of suffering is not gendered:

- MRAs make a big deal of women being rated better in schools. But they still HAVE TO go to school to be tortured, the ratings disparity doesn't really matter.
- Prisons are similar, even with sentencing disparity women still go to prisons.
- They still suffer from a cruel medical system, misdiagnosis, being shoved depression drugs, etc.
- Though the homelessness disparity exists and there are more homeless shelters for women, women are still homeless - and no one should be.
- Though violence hotlines will care more about violence done to women than to men, women are still the victims of it.
- Most women still have to sustain themselves by doing useless or harmful jobs that are increasingly also disappearing. The fact that men do more of the dangerous jobs doesn't change this.
- Even though in the majority of countries only men are drafted, women are still also victims because they lose husbands, sons, etc...

As you can see basically every type of societal problem is NOT GENDERED. So why make it so? Why are you so obsessed with "responsibility" in the first place? When the entire civilization is based on cruelty and the "responsibility" to deal with it is insanely put onto the individual's willpower?

The only truly just prison abolition strategy must have a pro male core:

• Misogyny doesn't exist
• "Misogynists" are feminist controlled opposition
• Misandric acts are normalized by society
• Patriarchy is an irrational conspiracy theory
• Pro male ideas are suppressed with women's welfare concerns
• Women commit more sex crimes than men
• All men are anti male to a certain degree
• Solitary is still better than a shared cell

Misogyny is just hatred of women. Are you meaning to say there isn't a single man out there who hates women? If there is, then it exists.

No one cares about "women's welfare concerns" on anything but the most surface level. Once again, check the list I posted above. Hey, did you know that Poland installed a law in January last year that makes women HAVE TO go to war in case of it? The only thing that can save them is pregnancy or taking care of an underage child at that moment. And no feminist organization spoke out against it (I checked). So yes, no one TRULY cares. And "proving" men have it worse than women is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Because you don't fix any problem that way. You can equalize prison sentencing, school ratings, even the draft and all it will mean is everyone will still be suffering - only suffering "equally." "Pro-male" ideology is a dead end. The actual controlled opposition is the gender war. EVERYONE SUFFERS in this shit "society", to divide it by groups is completely counterproductive when we could smash entire sets of suffering by destroying the systems that sustain it.

[Anon E. Moose]

The fact that the linked article mentions patriarchy even once is grounds for automatic dismissal when time is short, based on zero tolerance standard for conspiracy theory. But that doesn't mean a longer message deconstructing the narrative isn't warranted.

You're quick to make accusations of not doing the antifa due diligence by skipping their drivel. However, in this case it is you who failed to comprehend the answers they give. Quoting from the very bullet point concerning the prisons:

Rather than relying on centralised institutions with the authority to impose punishment, anarchist approaches emphasise the ability of communities to respond to conflict and harm through collective action, mutual aid, accountability, and self-defence.

See? When daddy government isn't around to protect you, you will have no choice but to fall back on self defense and collective justice to impose accountability and deter crime.

The article continues by raising a strawman against state justice:

Without a state monopoly on the use of force, the consequences of violent behaviour wouldn't be delayed and transferred to distant institutions such as the police, courts, and prisons. Instead, communities could collectively defend themselves and hold individuals accountable for their actions.

In reality, pretty much everywhere the police relies on consent of the governed to fight crime. Often it's not only your legal duty to report crime, you must provide assistance to the police to catch and neutralize criminals. The police frequently emphasize the role of self defense in crime prevention and deterrence. And this is where women don't pull their weight quite as often as men do, due to being delicate flowers averse to risk taking behavior. (When there is zero risk to the female, we see women participate in the criminal justice system more than men.)

Quite often "community justice" is posed as an alternative to state prison system because the involved people are dissatisfied with the outcome of criminal justice system. Either the punishment is too light (in case a male pedophile merely gets a life sentence instead of a death penalty, or a seventeen year old is treated as a "child" for sentencing), or the concerned don't believe the done deed is a crime at all, like antifa don't believe in property rights when it doesn't suit them.

And yes, the suffering women experience is not even close to what men have to go through. From the list you made:

• School ratings decide who gets positions of trust and authority. In my school, girls (but not young men) were trusted with grading sheets. The point about ratings being irrelevant is nonsense, as once it came to light the girls were bumping the grades; it was a huge scandal.
• Women routinely get shorter sentences for the same crime; prisons for women are less crowded.
• Medical professionals shame men for not being tough and taking it like a man; psychiatrists report men who deviate from imposed masculine role as potential criminals.
• Women have a benign reputation and thus get invited inside more.
• Violence hotlines for men are feminist captured and follow feminist critical theory.
• Women get a slap on the wrist for filling useless or harmful roles for money. "Useless jobs" is an invalid concern as no one parts with money if they have a better alternative.

- Even though in the majority of countries only men are drafted, women are still also victims because they lose husbands, sons, etc...

This last point is especially laughable. In societies where there is no death insurance or government assistance, bereavement over dead bodies is not a thing. Mercenaries and collaborators don't get grieved over by their family. How many widows would pay for a funeral out of their own pocket if female tears wouldn't translate to state and community assistance? What happened historically if it was all pain, no gain for the "biggest victims of war"?

Misogyny is not hatred of women in modern political parlance. Men are called misogynists for expressing dissatisfaction for getting the short end of the stick. Compulsory silent endurance of injustice is a man's burden too.

You can equalize prison sentencing, school ratings, even the draft and all it will mean is everyone will still be suffering - only suffering "equally."

Men would suffer less as the only way to help women would be to improve the situation for everyone. Industries with lots of females get better workplace safety standards, etc.

Forgive me for preferring the "gender war" to the gender curb stomp men were subject to for millennia.

[mia2ndpassword]

While liberals, conservatives, and many other groups have different ideas, one thing they will agree on is that women have no agency. Here is a sampling of answers you would get if you asked members of various groups if women have agency (and they answered honestly).

Liberals: No, anything bad a woman does is the fault of the patriarchy and sexism. The world is ruled by misogynistic conservative men, and women have no power. Anything good that happens to women is the result of “benevolent sexism” which women have no control over. Women are forced into becoming housewives and mothers they do not want to be.

Conservatives: No, anything bad a woman does is the fault of liberals and feminists tricking them. Women don’t even have agency when it comes to abortions which are the result of trickery by men. Women are forced into jobs and careers they do not want.

White (Vagina Worshiping) Nationalists: No, anything bad a woman does is the result of the Jews and minorities tricking them into feminism and multiculturalism. The Jews have been so successful in tricking women that they can convinced (white) women to act against their own race. Everything bad a woman does is caused by the Jews so women aren’t responsible for the bad acts they do.

Conspiracy Theorists: No, anything bad a woman does is the result of the Rockefellers, the Jews, and other rich people conspiring to trick women into feminism. The real enemy is the Rockefellers, the Jews, etc. (and minorities) who are conspiring to depopulate the world so women aren’t responsible for their behavior.

Roissyite Gamers: No, women’s bad acts are the correct biological response to men who have no game. Women can’t be held responsible for their own biology.

I could list many other groups, but its always the same. They all believe women have no agency. In fact the only groups that believe women have agency are MRAs and MGTOW.

Women having agency is the most dangerous idea in the world right now, dangerous to women and manginas at any rate. If a person has agency, then that person is responsible for their own actions. If a person doesn’t have agency then that person is not responsible for their actions. If you want to avoid being held responsible or accountable for your actions, then you need to convince the world that you have no agency. And that is what women did (except for MRAs and MGTOW). The idea of women having agency is dangerous because if enough men start believing it, those men will hold women responsible for their actions. Women will be forced to deal with the same standards of accountability as men. This would be an outright disaster for women because they would be exposed for the frauds, feral children, and in some cases criminals that they are.

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better late than never

does anyone actually believe woman have agency?