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I hate web "apps".
Posted: Tue May 12, 2026 12:23 pm
by TechLord
Web "apps" need ten times the resources and load much slower to accomplish the same.
Web app = more like ass.
I despise web apps with their "oh-so-flashy" skeleton screens that exist just so soydevs can have a genital measurement competition.
Re: I hate web "apps".
Posted: Tue May 12, 2026 3:08 pm
by moeloli
TechLord wrote: Tue May 12, 2026 12:23 pm
Web "apps" need ten times the resources and load much slower to accomplish the same.
Web app = more like ass.
I despise web apps with their "oh-so-flashy" skeleton screens that exist just so soydevs can have a genital measurement competition.
Don't worry bro, Web Assembly will come to save the day and usher in a new era of remote code execution in your browser in performant languages like Rust instead of slow and outdated JavaScript.
And then we'll have operating systems like ChromeOS connected to the Internet through 666G at all times (ID verification required) where you do everything on your browser through WASM web "apps".
Re: I hate web "apps".
Posted: Tue May 12, 2026 4:52 pm
by TechLord
One exception
Posted: Wed May 13, 2026 7:12 am
by TechLord
The only exception are websites which have interactive elements that simply do not work without JavaScript, such as OpenStreetMap, but even they should not waste any memory on useless bloat like skeleton screens.
Also, they should work in minimalist and old web browsers, not just on the Google-Mozilla "evergreen" browser duopoly.
I am glad this site uses phpBB. Discourse is soydev garbage that requires JavaScript
and a recent browser (
source).
Discourse.com wrote:
Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.
With Discourse, you need a 400MB piece of software to post text on a message board.
Re: One exception
Posted: Wed May 13, 2026 11:57 am
by moeloli
Discourse.com wrote:
Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.
How is that excuse even supposed to make any sense? What the fuck does being "designed for the next 10 years of the Internet" mean and how does that require "high minimum browser requirements" (ie. a lot of bloat)?
Discourse
Posted: Wed May 13, 2026 12:52 pm
by TechLord
moeloli wrote: Wed May 13, 2026 11:57 am
Discourse.com wrote:
Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.
How is that excuse even supposed to make any sense? What the fuck does being "designed for the next 10 years of the Internet" mean and how does that require "high minimum browser requirements" (ie. a lot of bloat)?
Agreed.
There is no excuse to not allow
at least posting plain text messages without JS.
Re: I hate web "apps".
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 6:08 am
by anonymous_
Web apps are a cancer. Devs learn soyshit in dev academy/college/whateverthefuck.
However, real applications are not keeping up. As amazing as some 'real' alternatives are, they don't offer near the looks customization (at least easly) that webshit does. Nowadays, you can't even do shit without using webshit.
A great example, perhaps the best one, is banking. Can you bank without an app or website? Like actually move funds around?
Unless you call them or go in person, NO! YOU CAN'T!
Some banks have SMS banking still but it's few and far between.
Real applications better catch the fuck up, otherwise every 'app' in the future is just going to a 'container site' or is will be running electron.
The functionality will be there, but older computers will be forced out, 16gb of RAM will be "low", and you won't be able to do anything meaningful without.
There's some cool stuff out there like amazon shopping CLI and that one SSH coffee shop. We need more suckless shit like that.
There's also weboob, which appears to be nonfunctional european vaporware, but hey, it exists,
Re: I hate web "apps".
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 6:08 am
by anonymous_
Also ban JavaScript completely, that would solve so many issues.
Removal of "lightmailer" by web.de
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:08 am
by TechLord
In March 2026, the German email provider web.de shut down the lightweight mobile interface, "lightmailer-bs.web.de". It was accessible through the login form "mm.web.de", which now redirects to the front page, which is 95% covered with news and ads, and 5% login form.
Web.de was the last known email provider to feature a lightweight scriptless front end. Others, like Proton Mail, have long been heavy web apps.
Looking at the trends of other websites, like
Reddit removing i.reddit.com in 2023 and Twitter removing their "M2" mobile web that worked without JS in 2020 (
screenshot), I suspected long ago that its demise was coming.
Lightmailer was a simple HTML-based interface that worked without JavaScript. While it had no fancy features like "drag and drop" or rich text editing, it was often enough. It loaded in less than five seconds, immediately showed the email list without stupid loading animations or skeleton screens, and took less than 1 MB (measured through developer tools). It is safe to say that it needed a fraction of the memory too.
Now, the only remaining web interface is the heavy web app that takes 15 to 20 seconds to load (not an exaggeration), and loads 53 MB of data until the email list is visible. Some of it is static, hence can be cached, but it shows the difference.
Of course, the "web app" includes useless bloat that doesn't add value, like skeleton screens and loading animations that themselves add delays.
Lightmailer immediately showed the email list, the content that matters, where as the "web app" first greets me with a parade of skeleton screens and loading animations before showing anything useful.
Re: Removal of "lightmailer" by web.de
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:35 am
by digdeeper
TechLord wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:08 am
In March 2026, the German email provider web.de shut down the lightweight mobile interface, "lightmailer-bs.web.de". It was accessible through the login form "mm.web.de", which now redirects to the front page, which is 95% covered with news and ads, and 5% login form.
Web.de was the last known email provider to feature a lightweight scriptless front end. Others, like Proton Mail, have long been heavy web apps.
Looking at the trends of other websites, like
Reddit removing i.reddit.com in 2023 and Twitter removing their "M2" mobile web that worked without JS in 2020 (
screenshot), I suspected long ago that its demise was coming.
Lightmailer was a simple HTML-based interface that worked without JavaScript. While it had no fancy features like "drag and drop" or rich text editing, it was often enough. It loaded in less than five seconds, immediately showed the email list without stupid loading animations or skeleton screens, and took less than 1 MB (measured through developer tools). It is safe to say that it needed a fraction of the memory too.
Now, the only remaining web interface is the heavy web app that takes 15 to 20 seconds to load (not an exaggeration), and loads 53 MB of data until the email list is visible. Some of it is static, hence can be cached, but it shows the difference.
Of course, the "web app" includes useless bloat that doesn't add value, like skeleton screens and loading animations that themselves add delays.
Lightmailer immediately showed the email list, the content that matters, where as the "web app" first greets me with a parade of skeleton screens and loading animations before showing anything useful.
There is still squirrelmail available at providers like morke. But the best option is mail clients, which will have the interface of the mail client always, that the provider cannot change - they can only drop mail client support. This includes "immediately showing the email list" (unless Thunderbirdshit now does things differently, I wouldn't know).
I can't imagine relying on a provider that only supports webmail, and worrying every time that the interface will change to something I hate.
Re: Removal of "lightmailer" by web.de
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2026 4:21 pm
by mocheryl
TechLord wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:08 am
Of course, the "web app" includes useless bloat that doesn't add value, like skeleton screens and loading animations that themselves add delays.
Count yourself lucky if that’s all there is. Wait until they start plastering the UI with those “ask AI” buttons.
digdeeper wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:35 am
There is still squirrelmail available at providers like morke. But the best option is mail clients, which will have the interface of the mail client always, that the provider cannot change - they can only drop mail client support. This includes "immediately showing the email list" (unless Thunderbirdshit now does things differently, I wouldn't know).
I can't imagine relying on a provider that only supports webmail, and worrying every time that the interface will change to something I hate.
The thing is desktop e-mail client is mostly good only for e-mail. You still need some kind of web UI to configure provider-specific settings like aliases, out of office replies, password, two-factor authentication and such. One way or another you’ll need to use it at one point.
Topic split
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2026 12:06 am
by TechLord
