"Forced Age Verification Is Coming To Linux"

[equilibria]

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[Theundercoverman_]

Another step closer. Linux is slowly becoming just another Windows or Mac (at least it's still FOSS), and BSD will become the new Linux (and that's if they don't comply with age verification laws).

[y0t64af0b44]

Users of other init systems are unaffected by this retarded move from Redshat and Poettering. It just goes to show why Init Freedom is so important.

[Theundercoverman_]

Doesn't matter that it's optional.

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/26/03/ ... er-records

But... this is idiotic, and SystemD is rapidly turning into a parody of itself. The other week they announced they were integrating a whole new "VM" system into SystemD (add that to VirtualBox, KVM, Xen, LXD/Incus, etc...) Why? All of the existing VM management systems can easily have their own .service files, why does SystemD need to have its own? It doesn't.

You are starting to understand why the systemd haters think like they do. If Poettering had proposed a drop-in replacement for SysV init and then stopped, I would have thought, "Why not?" But we got a hairball of event-logging, network management, file mounting, user authentication crap all bundled in.

But what really sank it was when I discovered that it was relatively simple to launch SysV shell scripts from the unit files to start services, thus saving all the work involved in re-inventing the wheel. And the systemd fans came absolutely unglued when I posted that. Sorry. Linux, and all the other UNIXes involve collections of simple "do one thing well" applications that can be tied together, at times with pipes, files and other tools. And you can't tell developers what tools or languages to use. If you want an OS that is becomming one giant EXE to dynamically load and run everything as a DLL, go use Windows*.

So the choice is massive bloat that replaces everything or poor compatibility and support.

[moeloli]

Amutable: Systemd Creator Lennart Poettering Launches New Linux Security Venture
https://techplanet.today/post/amutable- ... ty-venture ( https://archive.ph/kPSiV )

The Mission: Cryptographic Integrity for Linux
Amutable's stated mission is ambitious: to build cryptographically verifiable integrity into Linux systems. Their approach focuses on three key areas:
Build Integrity
Ensuring that software builds are verifiable and tamper-proof from the development stage through deployment.
Boot Integrity
Implementing secure boot processes that can cryptographically verify the integrity of the entire boot chain.
Runtime Integrity
Maintaining verifiable system state throughout the operational lifecycle of Linux workloads.
The company's tagline, "Every system starts in a verified state and stays trusted over time," encapsulates their vision of comprehensive system integrity.

The Technology: Remote Attestation for Linux
While Amutable has been relatively secretive about specific technical details, the company appears to be building on remote attestation technology. This involves using hardware security features (like TPMs - Trusted Platform Modules) to cryptographically prove the state of a system to remote parties.
The technology builds on existing standards and protocols but aims to make them more accessible and user-controlled in Linux environments. According to founding engineer Aleksa Sarai, the models they have in mind are "very much based on users having full control of their keys."

Poettering is openly trying to create a world where the goyim are locked into ((( remotely attested ))) Linux distros that prove to ((( third parties ))) that they haven't tampered with their own computers. By ((( sheer coincidence ))), he has been working on this while age verification laws were quietly pushed across multiple countries and US states, and now his meme init system wants to store your birthday. It's no wonder that seems flimsy on its own: it's incomplete until Poettering's new cryptographic verification spyware is pushed onto your distro.

[qualia]

Amutable: Systemd Creator Lennart Poettering Launches New Linux Security Venture
https://techplanet.today/post/amutable- ... ty-venture ( https://archive.ph/kPSiV )

The Mission: Cryptographic Integrity for Linux
Amutable's stated mission is ambitious: to build cryptographically verifiable integrity into Linux systems. Their approach focuses on three key areas:
Build Integrity
Ensuring that software builds are verifiable and tamper-proof from the development stage through deployment.
Boot Integrity
Implementing secure boot processes that can cryptographically verify the integrity of the entire boot chain.
Runtime Integrity
Maintaining verifiable system state throughout the operational lifecycle of Linux workloads.
The company's tagline, "Every system starts in a verified state and stays trusted over time," encapsulates their vision of comprehensive system integrity.

The Technology: Remote Attestation for Linux
While Amutable has been relatively secretive about specific technical details, the company appears to be building on remote attestation technology. This involves using hardware security features (like TPMs - Trusted Platform Modules) to cryptographically prove the state of a system to remote parties.
The technology builds on existing standards and protocols but aims to make them more accessible and user-controlled in Linux environments. According to founding engineer Aleksa Sarai, the models they have in mind are "very much based on users having full control of their keys."

Poettering is openly trying to create a world where the goyim are locked into ((( remotely attested ))) Linux distros that prove to ((( third parties ))) that they haven't tampered with their own computers. By ((( sheer coincidence ))), he has been working on this while age verification laws were quietly pushed across multiple countries and US states, and now his meme init system wants to store your birthday. It's no wonder that seems flimsy on its own: it's incomplete until Poettering's new cryptographic verification spyware is pushed onto your distro.

So he started an explicitly for-profit software corporation? I suppose there's no point in hiding your intent of making money behind "foundations" or whatever. I wonder what the business model is going to be since your link claims it's going to be "FOSS-friendly". I suppose they could just have a "free software" version and a license for business use like Qt. Or perhaps they're looking to get funding from (((someone else))).

[Theundercoverman_]

There was an attempt to revert this but Poettering refused.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/41179

Poettering is openly trying to create a world where the goyim are locked into ((( remotely attested ))) Linux distros that prove to ((( third parties ))) that they haven't tampered with their own computers. By ((( sheer coincidence ))), he has been working on this while age verification laws were quietly pushed across multiple countries and US states, and now his meme init system wants to store your birthday. It's no wonder that seems flimsy on its own: it's incomplete until Poettering's new cryptographic verification spyware is pushed onto your distro.

We need a year of the BSD desktop, but when that happens, we'll want to switch to Haiku or Plan 9 or something else until there's nothing left. It's obvious Linux is becoming more like Windows and macOS.

[Theundercoverman_]

On the bright side at least GrapheneOS is resisting.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/03/2 ... ation-laws

But it won't matter because Google is locking down Android, and the lawmakers will realize there's another OS that people can install and use and decide to pass a law requiring all device manufacturers to prevent bootloader unlocking.

[qualia]

On the bright side at least GrapheneOS is resisting.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/03/2 ... ation-laws

But it won't matter because Google is locking down Android, and the lawmakers will realize there's another OS that people can install and use and decide to pass a law requiring all device manufacturers to prevent bootloader unlocking.

hopefully if (or rather when) that happens i'll be in a position where im able to finally ditch my slavephone. right now i need one and grapheneos is the least bad option.

[mia]

We need a year of the BSD desktop, but when that happens, we'll want to switch to Haiku or Plan 9 or something else until there's nothing left.

Plan9 is a failed attempt at fixing Unix while copying other OSes like Oberon, Plan9 was made by the same parasitic company called Bell Labs that created Unix, it was abandoned by them, and, it's gay fork, 9front, is a utter meme, not even the developers take the project seriously,

[mia]

I found some people discussing about the Age Verification Laws on the NetBSD mailing list
https://marc.info/?t=177313368400001&r=1&w=2

[unbelivable]

Plan9 is a failed attempt at fixing Unix while copying other OSes like Oberon, Plan9 was made by the same parasitic company called Bell Labs that created Unix, it was abandoned by them, and, it's gay fork, 9front, is a utter meme, not even the developers take the project seriously,

Plan9 was a pretty successful attempt at "fixing Unix" (unless there's a better one, GNU/Hurd perhaps?), and what's wrong with 9front? (though I am aware of mailing list flamewars of days gone by). I think it's a serious project. Anyway what's the point of flaming Plan 9 at its mere (humorous) mention?

I'm glad that people, even normies (at least those who have a slight clue) have been against this Age Verification Bullshit. Watching it play out in systemd is so depressing though, and so many people get emotional and defend systemd when someone mentions how shitty it is (is it an attempt to seem clever?)

I think that the general population will assume a sort of mindset of wearing a mask everywhere as they interact with the awful systems that are being put in place. Everyone will know things are wrong but will be so resigned to it as to say hardly a word to one another. We're already anons bitching about it, I just hope everyone informs their actual friends and colleagues on what's up, as much as they can.

[digdeeper]

Plan9 is a failed attempt at fixing Unix while copying other OSes like Oberon, Plan9 was made by the same parasitic company called Bell Labs that created Unix, it was abandoned by them, and, it's gay fork, 9front, is a utter meme, not even the developers take the project seriously,

Plan9 was a pretty successful attempt at "fixing Unix" (unless there's a better one, GNU/Hurd perhaps?), and what's wrong with 9front? (though I am aware of mailing list flamewars of days gone by). I think it's a serious project. Anyway what's the point of flaming Plan 9 at its mere mention?

I'm glad that people, even normies (at least those who have a slight clue) have been against this Age Verification Bullshit. Watching it play out in systemd is so depressing though, and so many people get emotional and defend systemd when someone mentions how shitty it is (is it an attempt to seem clever?)

I think that the general population will assume a sort of mindset of wearing a mask everywhere as they interact with the awful systems that are being put in place. Everyone will know things are wrong but will be so resigned to it as to say hardly a word to one another. We're already anons bitching about it, I just hope everyone informs their actual friends and colleagues on what's up, as much as they can.

I leak my power level IRL always.

However I have to sadly say that most people seem at least mildly satisfied with the current state of things. Many have no idea about anything other than their immediate surroundings, the job and kids, etc. And they even don't care what happens in the schools their kids go to, and so on. It has to get a lot worse before it gets better, I feel.

[qualia]

And they even don't care what happens in the schools their kids go to, and so on.

Kind of an off-topic rant.

The real blackpill is that they care and they support it. When I still went to school and complained about it to anyone in my family I was always faced with a rant about how the abuse is actually there to discipline spoiled kids and how their teachers used to physically punish them (apparently very common in rural schools here back in the day) which was good because it supposedly turned them into "functioning members of society" (slaves). The only real resistance from parents is to very obvious ideological indoctrination (LGBT or religion, depending on the schools) without realizing that the entire system is built as an ideological indoctrination machine that makes you unlearn thinking.

[unbelivable]

their teachers used to physically punish them (apparently very common in rural schools here back in the day) which was good because it supposedly turned them into "functioning members of society" (slaves).

It's a shame that your parents got beat at school and their response is to rationalize it. It demonstrates the effect that that kind of treatment (including less brazen methods of coercion) has on people, but they're the very ones who can't see that!
It might make sense if it's explained to them that way, but if everyone they know has the same experience and the same mindset it's very tough to crack.

[mia]

Plan9 was a pretty successful attempt at "fixing Unix" (unless there's a better one, GNU/Hurd perhaps?)

If it was successful, why nobody used it? Plan9 also has no software support other than acme (a text editor that cripples your mind), mothra, your usual terminal utilities and whatever is on shithub.us, even though some people say it's better designed compared to Unix, nobody bothered to create good software for such high quality OS, in fact, AROS, which is also a research operating system like plan9, certainly more 'harmful' than plan9 and not as good designed, still has better software support than plan9 (This is not AROS advertisement BTW!), plan9 is also inherently slow. GNU/Hurd cannot even boot on real hardware, hence, no, it's worse than plan9

and what's wrong with 9front? (though I am aware of mailing list flamewars of days gone by). I think it's a serious project. Anyway what's the point of flaming Plan 9 at its mere (humorous) mention?

As I said, it's a joke, it's just a hobby OS they made a edgy cult around it, most of the 9front folks use good and battle-tested OSes like OpenBSD on the desktop and 9front as their toy to thinker with on a VM, also, I am not craping on plan9, I acknowledge plan9 had good influence on other OS but failed to fix the Unix problem and there's no reason other than being a hipster to use plan9 since it is old and unmaintained. I said it's gay fork, 9front, is a utter joke

I'm glad that people, even normies (at least those who have a slight clue) have been against this Age Verification Bullshit.

They are only against it because they can't coom without downloading a free VPN app on their phones because it's to hard to tap on a screen where they are not used to

Watching it play out in systemd is so depressing though, and so many people get emotional and defend systemd when someone mentions how shitty it is (is it an attempt to seem clever?)

I actually want soystemd to cuck, it's great seeing soystemd getting worse every single day

I think that the general population will assume a sort of mindset of wearing a mask everywhere as they interact with the awful systems that are being put in place. Everyone will know things are wrong but will be so resigned to it as to say hardly a word to one another.

You don't think, it will happen.

[Theundercoverman_]

Privacy advocates: "Age verification is bad because it harms the privacy of adults and is now being used to compromise free and open source operating systems and locking everyone into proprietary big tech"
Normies who care: "Age verification is bad because I can't masturbate to porn anymore without a VPN" (proceeds to download some malicious "free" VPN)

[sirfessor]

Privacy advocates: "Age verification is bad because it harms the privacy of adults and is now being used to compromise free and open source operating systems and locking everyone into proprietary big tech"
Normies who care: "Age verification is bad because I can't masturbate to porn anymore without a VPN" (proceeds to download some malicious "free" VPN)

I am both lol, i am against age verification because i dont want everything i say to get traced back to me, especially if it is wrongthink, and i want to access porn without giving my identity. I also would trust malicious VPN more than my ISP.

[brocashelm]

Slackware says NO.

Good for them, honestly. Hoping Salix and Slackel also confirm their stances.

Devuan (what I use) also told those lawmakers to kick rocks.

[digdeeper]

Slackware says NO.

Good for them, honestly. Hoping Salix and Slackel also confirm their stances.

Devuan (what I use) also told those lawmakers to kick rocks.

Super based. I don't have to switch

[mia]

Slackware says NO.

Good for them, honestly. Hoping Salix and Slackel also confirm their stances.

Devuan (what I use) also told those lawmakers to kick rocks.

Kudos to them, both are on my list of distros I want to try soon, I just need to get a new psu ehe...

[Theundercoverman_]

Now Michigan is proposing ID age verification.
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/document ... B-0284.htm

Artix Linux will not comply
https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/ ... l#msg55607

[brocashelm]

Kudos to them, both are on my list of distros I want to try soon, I just need to get a new psu ehe...

And if you want to try XLibre, there are unofficial DEB builds for Devuan.

For Slackware, there's a SlackBuild for ya.

[mia]

And if you want to try XLibre, there are unofficial DEB builds for Devuan.

For Slackware, there's a SlackBuild for ya.

That's nice :)

[qualia]

EU age verification app hacked in under two minutes. Amazing.
https://xcancel.com/Paul_Reviews/status ... 87666921#m

[GenericKeyboard]

I predict we'll see age verification built into the hardware, for example, the motherboard firmware might require proof of age before allowing the device to boot into the OS.

[digdeeper]

I predict we'll see age verification built into the hardware, for example, the motherboard firmware might require proof of age before allowing the device to boot into the OS.

Definitely. Then after those things get produced for a few years, internet block on all other hardware.

[Theundercoverman_]

Some good news, Colorado has amended their age attestation bill to exclude Linux and other FOSS operating systems and apps.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/04/c ... -excluded/

More bad news, there's now a nationwide US law proposed, the Parents Decide Act, which will require age checks for all operating systems. Right now it's just age declaration I think, but it won't be long before they amend it to require ID checks. If this passes, many other countries will follow.

[moeloli]

Parents Decide Act

What a stupid name. If only Parents Decided... to actually parent and take care of the children they brought into the world instead of giving them smartphones loaded with GroomBlox and Discord and effectively abandoning them...

[LarrySwinger]

Is ageism constitutional?