Men don't need more therapy. They need more testosterone

[pjoter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gS3TyAaph0

[TheGreatDeal]

It's a fact, and testosterone levels have dropped significantly in recent decades. It affects literally everything, but prolactin and estradiol levels are also extremely important. If they're too high, you'll be emotionally unstable, like women, because your hormonal balance will be closer to theirs.

[techramancer]

I don't disagree that *some* men need more testosterone, but I don't think that's a huge section of the population. Men need therapy, and that therapy doesn't necessarily mean going to see a therapist. It means interacting with other men in the right environment and given the right circumstances. I think this also applies to men and women. People need a third place, but society has changed so drastically that we lack such an environment. Even the old third places that still technically exist are damaging to your wallet and your body: bars, pubs, etc.

Just in general, humans require nature, whole foods, encouraging environments, and positive platonic relationships with folks. Doesn't matter if your a man, a woman, or you fit into a different category (and this isn't meant to start a debate on that).

@TheGreatDeal: While yes, elevated hormones can trigger emotional instability, this is a product of our societal environment and our nurture. Women and men are both told, in different ways, to bottle themselves up, and so, at the first sign of a crack in the dam, they lose control. When their hormones are elevated, which is generally a result of the excessively processed foods that the first world almost regularly consumes, it makes those losses in control more aggressive. In turn, women's general biology makes those losses in control more understandable.

Looking at estradiol, the majority of men who suffer from high levels of that are abusers of testosterone replacing PEDs. I'm not saying it doesn't occur naturally in men, but you're looking at a subsection of the male population not on TRT or PEDs that are older (so their natural testosterone levels have plummeted) or are heavily overweight/obese (and as such their natural testosterones levels have likely plummeted). But those folks have visible symptoms in the form of gynecomastia, IIRC.

Finally, for prolactin, hyperprolactinemia only occurs in 1% of the general population, so I don't even know if that's a significant point to stand on.

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I didn't watch the video, but I openned it and instently heard music.

It is ironic, because music reduces testosterone [1]

About the therapy, I have always suggested converting to Islam and following its laws as a solution to all mental problems, but infidels don't listen, so in my end, you all deserve it.

When their hormones are elevated, which is generally a result of the excessively processed foods that the first world almost regularly consumes, it makes those losses in control more aggressive. In turn, women's general biology makes those losses in control more understandable.

I am yet to see a woman that loses her control in her administrator office, I only observed that with her husband, wierd right?

In reality, the hormon thing is nothing but feminist and big pharma trick, hormons don't disable your will or self control, if you got two people that hate each other, injecting both with oxytocin won't make them love each other.

Also about it being big pharma trick, pharmaceutical treatmenets are shown to be of large risks and useless in many cases, let alone expensive.

Meanwhile non pharmaceutical treatement (psychotherapy or cognitive behavioral therapy) had better results with less risk.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2001.tb05767.x

[sirfessor]

> It is ironic, because music reduces testosterone

Interesting. Does this apply to death metal music for example because i don't think a song like Gutless - Avalanche of Viscera would reduce test imo but i am no scientist and i know there are many metalheads who are weak in reality, perhaps listening to that kind of music gives them a sense of power or venting maybe?

Sometimes all you need is a trusted friend who you can rely on in trouble times, who can help you navigate the world and sharing their experiences. This is more helpful than visiting a overpriced therapist who would probably misdiagnose you on purpose to keep you hook on drugs, and them too because that's how they earn money or else they would be out of business in no time if they actually cured people.

This comment sums it all by Dave38 on antipsychiatry sub https://old.reddit.com/r/Antipsychiatry ... herapists/ :

"We've all become so alienated from others (and ourselves) and so mistrustful that we're "paying" for "friends" now. If you can find that rare one who is unorthodox and will actually give you practical-world advice, that's great. Some even share their own experiences, which isn't always best - talk about boundaries with them.
Otherwise, I don't see the point in thinking some 24 year old who has never had a life trauma, difficult relationship, or trouble finding work will be of any help. They're regurgitating stuff they read from the ususal "cookbooks". "

[sirfessor]

I also forget to add i don't think converting to Islam would help with anything when our food is being poisoned with sterilizing agents and other hazardous chemicals.

https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/de ... re-destiny
https://corbettreport.com/episode-094-y ... terilized/

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Interesting. Does this apply to death metal music for example because i don't think a song like Gutless - Avalanche of Viscera would reduce test

The study I mentioned tested differenet kinds of music, and it found varying effect, with most reducing being your favorite music of any kind, you could try to read the study yourself for more details.

perhaps listening to that kind of music gives them a sense of power or venting maybe?

Do you know what else gives you same sense of power? illegal harmful drugs, and other dangrous substances, in reality you trying to induce something your body wouldn't induce by itself is the harmful effect, music could indeed induce some hormonal changes and other things in the brain, now does that comes without cost? totally not, you are going to pay the chimicals your brain wasted in music some other way, much like you pay for the chimicals your brain wastes when you consume harmful drugs.

Sometimes all you need is a trusted friend who you can rely on in trouble times

Most depressed people already have these, and still depressed, a friend who is ignorent or also mislead/misguided would do as much damage as today sick society (not generalizing), only difference is that you are talking to a single person, not a group.

I also forget to add i don't think converting to Islam would help with anything when our food is being poisoned with sterilizing agents and other hazardous chemicals.

It was proven many times that depression doesn't have much to do with any X chimical, even if you eat food grown in a place no human went to, you would still get depressed if your believes are as horrible as they are.

and the proof is simple, western Muslims despite eating from the same bad foods none-Muslims eat, still live happier.

I quote Jonathan Haidt [1]

"I just want to make one point, however, that should give contractualists pause: surveys have long shown that religious believers in the United States are happier, healthier, longer-lived, and more generous to charity and to each other than are secular people. Most of these effects have been documented in Europe too. If you believe that morality is about happiness and suffering, then I think you are obligated to take a close look at the way religious people actually live and ask what they are doing right."

[1] - https://www.theatlantic.com/personal/ar ... ive/54813/

[sirfessor]

Do you know what else gives you same sense of power? illegal harmful drugs, and other dangrous substances,

You mean pleasure? No one feels powerful while listening to music or when using any kinds of drugs. Power only comes from something that enhances your life and survival. Btw are you against caffeine too, because that's a drug, basically a poor man's cocaine

and the proof is simple, western Muslims despite eating from the same bad foods none-Muslims eat, still live happier.

You sure about that, from where do you know? Tons of misery in shithole countries and I'd take any statistics coming from them with a pinch of salt since all are corrupt to the core. The western world too but at least they need put a facade of democracy or pretend.

I quote Jonathan Haidt [1]

"I just want to make one point, however, that should give contractualists pause: surveys have long shown that religious believers in the United States are happier, healthier, longer-lived, and more generous to charity and to each other than are secular people. Most of these effects have been documented in Europe too. If you believe that morality is about happiness and suffering, then I think you are obligated to take a close look at the way religious people actually live and ask what they are doing right."

Perhaps religion is really the opium of the masses from the looks of it.

[lostuser]

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Perhaps religion is really the opium of the masses from the looks of it.

I recommend two pills a day, one at morning and one before bed time.