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As someone who used swc/velux for some time; you might find it limited, eventually...

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Simple things you take for granted, like screenshot, aren't always implemented. That's what got me, I switched to wlr*ts cause I needed to screenshare one time and that just isn't happening

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Wayland already sucks as much as X11. At least on X you can be assured that a program will work with the server, because there is really only one server used by everyone. Meanwhile in Wayland you have to cross fingers that the compositor you're using implements the whatever non-standard protocol extension to just have trivial features such as screenshots. And not even mentioning the whole "portal" fiasco. Hack on top of hack. And of course it came from Red Hat, for Linux. End of rant.

No one here that liked xlibre? I used but didnt felling diference!

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This is kind of a lazy response but hey.
https://suckless.org/rocks
which I check every time I'm looking for an $x client or $y program
and
https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/
I especially like the

Harmful things that are so superfluous and useless that require no alternative:

section.
To contribute something original:
personally I advocate for troff rather than LaTeX where it's useful, except this isn't really replacing anything for anyone because everyone who uses LaTeX is an academic who has no choice and everyone who doesn't use LaTeX uses MS Word and doesn't care. But for the few people who are curious, try troff. groff (GNU version) is probably already on your system, but you should try neatroff(github) from https://dev.rudi.ir

unbelivable wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 1:49 pm https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/

It's not my first time seeing that list and it's as ridiculous as always. If it's not peak trolling, it's pure mental illness on display.
This is my "favorite" row: "Harmful things: Vim, Emacs, nano; Less harmful alternatives: ed"
They could as well say that anything other than punch cards is evil harmful bloat.

moeloli wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 5:41 pm

unbelivable wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 1:49 pm https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/

It's not my first time seeing that list and it's as ridiculous as always. If it's not peak trolling, it's pure mental illness on display.
This is my "favorite" row: "Harmful things: Vim, Emacs, nano; Less harmful alternatives: ed"
They could as well say that anything other than punch cards is evil harmful bloat.

You can be trolling and serious (and even mentally ill) at the same time, for example, Diogenes of Sinope.
On ed; the sam text editor (which, for the viewers at home, they list alongside acme before ed) might shed some light on their ideas

sam (the vim of plan9?) is like ed version 2, built for guis. Sam, like ed (and like ex/vi), is a text editor/command language for text editing, acme (the emacs of plan9?) incorporates sam-style editing commands along with a generalized interface for any text-based work, letting you navigate directories and run shell commands, and it's extensible enough to implement a mail client, irc client, and any custom features you might want. If compared to emacs or (neo)vim extended to similar capabilities, the size and complexity of acme is much less, and this is all possible in turn due to the design of the plan9 file system and user interface. The attitude is of prioritizing extreme structural elegance.
I did include a warning on my original draft of my reply that the cat-v list was very 9-pilled lol, and so it should be, no-one else is gonna that be for them.

In conclusion,

unbelivable wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 1:49 pm This is kind of a lazy response but hey.
https://suckless.org/rocks
which I check every time I'm looking for an $x client or $y program

now i feel compelled to try the oasis distro listed on the suckless website. i use a lot of minimalist programs and generally agree with their philosophy but im not sure about a whole system. there goes my night i guess (as long as i can get it to run)

qualia wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 6:42 pm

unbelivable wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 1:49 pm This is kind of a lazy response but hey.
https://suckless.org/rocks
which I check every time I'm looking for an $x client or $y program

now i feel compelled to try the oasis distro listed on the suckless website. i use a lot of minimalist programs and generally agree with their philosophy but im not sure about a whole system. there goes my night i guess (as long as i can get it to run)

I'm yet to try it, but I've also been intrigued. see stali linux as well.

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lostuser wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2026 8:45 pm

www wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 12:27 pm No one here that liked xlibre? I used but didnt felling diference!

I'm currently using XLibre on 1 linux machine. There arent any noticable differences between it and normal X11. I still think these new wayland projects/forks are the best solutions. By the way, if you are interested, pretty sure you can contact the creators of them on irc.ergo.chat #derive

On a side note, i saw some discussion happening about the wayland talk here on shadow forum. Unfortunately, it is impossible to make an account there, so i cant respond.

all right bro, i dont use more xlibre but thanks for give his irc link

The virtual terminal certainly sucks a lot less than both wlroots/swc and X.org/XLibre, they are fairly usable for anything that isn't firefox, I personally use the vt for almost everything on my computer

moeloli wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 5:41 pm

unbelivable wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 1:49 pm https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/

It's not my first time seeing that list and it's as ridiculous as always. If it's not peak trolling, it's pure mental illness on display.
This is my "favorite" row: "Harmful things: Vim, Emacs, nano; Less harmful alternatives: ed"
They could as well say that anything other than punch cards is evil harmful bloat.

Did you even RTFA? cat-v is a network of UNIX purists, ed can be controlled from within a pipe, operates upon lines and regex, is so flexible that two programs are inspired from preconfigured commands within it (grep&sed), the only ACTUALLY GOOD upgrade to ed is sam, because it cleanly separates input (blueterm) and output (yellowterm) unlike vi which merges I/O and just allows for e-regexps with a dogshit 'visual mode' which is STILL CHAINED TO ONE FILE AT A TIME

Most 'vim' users of today are completely larpy fizzbuzzers who watched ONE (1) lukesmith video who think they're 1337 just because they use hjkl now, and serve absolutely ZERO nuse for any plugins, syntax highlighting or tab support because the window manager they host it in (probably dwm or hyperland) ALREADY PROVIDES IT FOR THEM

You can use whatever editor you want, or not even use one at all in favour of an IDE/word processor, but to act like the cat-v recommendations are 'mental illness', and aren't informed by the most pure, consistent distillation of the 'unix philosophy' is completely absurd

jai wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2026 7:51 am ... cat-v is a network of UNIX purists ...
... informed by the most pure, consistent distillation of the 'unix philosophy' ...

Well yeah genius, "Unix philosoyphy" is a joke when you take it to the extreme, so...

jai wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2026 7:51 am *cat-v troll yapping*

trolls used to be more convincing

moeloli wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2026 6:04 pm

jai wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2026 7:51 am ... cat-v is a network of UNIX purists ...
... informed by the most pure, consistent distillation of the 'unix philosophy' ...

Well yeah genius, "Unix philosoyphy" is a joke when you take it to the extreme, so...

How

I like fish over bash although this isn't the type of simplicity you seem to be looking for. I use it because it's more user friendly but it isn't universal as a scripting language. Sh wins that contest.

Links -g is nice for browsing simple websites.

Iamb is a good cli matrix client. Fink and weechat are alternatives that support multiple protocols although I don't use them.

Nemo is a lightweight file manager. Pcmanfm and spacefm are also good. Mc is a good cli option.