Want to actually change anything?

[digdeeper]

To lock oneself to this space (by this I mean my site, this forum, and all related sites like shadow forum, spyware watchdog, related MUCs, and so on) that is read by at most a few thousand people regularly (this is being generous), won't suffice. We need outreach campaigns. What could they consist of?

• Inserting yourself into conversations on reddit (or any other "popular" place) whenever a relevant topic comes up. For example, if you don't like the schooling system, and some left-winger talks about how we totally need free education, more accessible education, etc. you can ask "why do we need education in the form of today, if it has (xyz) flaws?". Any topic and subreddit could be chosen.
• Use social media if you have access to it. Fediverse works well too, especially for challenging corporations which have their accounts there, often.
• E-mailing various organizations related to the topic you care about, if they exist. To remind them of their blind-spots, or just compliment them on good work, etc.
• Could try to message famous youtubers to cover something they haven't specifically, but is relevant to their audience. To both of the above, sadly they often lack contact info. But for those who do, use it.
• If an outlet you like receives donations, tell them to support monero too.
• In terms of purely tech issues, could notify webdevs to cut the ads, spy scripts, Cloudflare etc. on their sites.
• Perhaps even *gasp* messaging politicians.

All of this could be organized here, with targets, templates, and so on. Or done independently if that is what you prefer.

Why did this suddenly come up? Well, I would like my efforts to not be in vain and die with me. I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

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I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

I recommend inhaling it twice a day, with 5h interval.

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I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

I recommend inhaling it twice a day, with 5h interval.

No need, I'm high 24/7.

Also you should join us

[equilibria]

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[pjoter]

I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

Sorry for trivializing the serious topic, but my association with "focus more" instantly goes to this meme:


The point is that "focus more" or "click more" or "write more" is completely irrelevant at a larger scale.
This is not the 19th/early 20th century when you could go out on the street, hand people ideological pamphlets and have almost 99% certainty they would actually read them.

The "means of production" of information are in the hands of the rich, influencers, politicians etc.
You will have 10000% more influence on anything if you actually go outside and:

• become a parent representative on the school board at your children's school

• become a teacher (shitty pay, but you know, it's for the cause)

• get involved in a neighbourhood or city council

• join a political party (any party, doesn't matter which)

• join a trade union

• start attending protests (even if you're just there as a regular body in the crowd)

Obviously if staying at home is the only option - if you have enough money and/or the social stamina to make videos - you can probably run some kind of campaign on tiktok or whatever people are watching these days.
But the fact that many of us have a nostalgic attachment to retro communication - email or even reddit - is probably not going to help (much).

[digdeeper]

I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

Sorry for trivializing the serious topic, but my association with "focus more" instantly goes to this meme:


The point is that "focus more" or "click more" or "write more" is completely irrelevant at a larger scale.
This is not the 19th/early 20th century when you could go out on the street, hand people ideological pamphlets and have almost 99% certainty they would actually read them.

The "means of production" of information are in the hands of the rich, influencers, politicians etc.
You will have 10000% more influence on anything if you actually go outside and:

• become a parent representative on the school board at your children's school

• become a teacher (shitty pay, but you know, it's for the cause)

• get involved in a neighbourhood or city council

• join a political party (any party, doesn't matter which)

• join a trade union

• start attending protests (even if you're just there as a regular body in the crowd)

Obviously if staying at home is the only option - if you have enough money and/or the social stamina to make videos - you can probably run some kind of campaign on tiktok or whatever people are watching these days.
But the fact that many of us have a nostalgic attachment to retro communication - email or even reddit - is probably not going to help (much).

How many people can you realistically reach in those ways? A few hundred? I've got several thousand additional views just because one of my articles got cited at HN, reddit, or 4chan once. This persisted for a few days.
Now imagine we have a shill team that does this EVERY DAY.
Besides, we'd be reaching the influencers are politicians you've mentioned.

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Now imagine we have a shill team that does this EVERY DAY.

Speaking from experience that you witnessed, there are many people that you can't convince even if you tried everyday.

And also from expereience, most people are simply where they are going to remain.

So quite taking hopium gas, it can have side effects.


Bonus: I have already stated that I go against what this community call for in terms of going against goverinments, anarchisim etc..

I can sense (assuming this ideology becomes the norm) the choas it will bring, I quote [1]:

The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob
seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest
degree of savagery.

1-Protocols of elders of zion, Protocol No. 1, Text 21.

[sirfessor]

I will try to shill your articles, but i notice whatever i did before, people would just mock instead of engaging in arguments, or would push them aside.

Maybe i could try to translate them into another language, but i am shit at translating. Is there any good LLM translator out there without creating an account? I could try to let it translate them and i do a revision after it.

[digdeeper]

I will try to shill your articles, but i notice whatever i do before, people would just mock instead of engaging in arguments, or would push them aside.

Maybe i could try to translate them into another language, but i am shit at translating. Is there any good llm translator out there without creating an account? I could try to let it translate them and i do a revision after it.

duck.ai or digdig

I think participating in "normie" discussions or messaging influencers would be more viable tbh. But anything works.

[mia]

Inserting yourself into conversations on reddit (or any other "popular" place) whenever a relevant topic comes up. For example, if you don't like the schooling system, and some left-winger talks about how we totally need free education, more accessible education, etc. you can ask "why do we need education in the form of today, if it has (xyz) flaws?". Any topic and subreddit could be chosen.

Use social media if you have access to it. Fediverse works well too, especially for challenging corporations which have their accounts there, often.

1st: This wouldn't be good for my digital profile.
2nd: it is impossible to have a meaningful debate with Normies, and, you'd probably be mocked by them.
3rd: you'd certainly be shadow banned.
4th: they're probably AI, if they aren't LLMs, they may be a fed, in fact, you and I could be both AI models or glowies together, diggy-san.
5th: just like what happened to your Lemmy instance, you'd certainly be censored by posting anything slightly off the lefty spectrum on the fediverse

E-mailing various organizations related to the topic you care about, if they exist. To remind them of their blind-spots, or just compliment them on good work, etc.

Most people within these organisations are very sensitive towards criticism, I don't think this would work, but I guess showing appreciation towards their work isn't a bad idea

Could try to message famous youtubers to cover something they haven't specifically, but is relevant to their audience. To both of the above, sadly they often lack contact info. But for those who do, use it.

You'd need a few millions dollars to do that

If an outlet you like receives donations, tell them to support monero too.

They'd probably ignore the message, but I guess it doesn't hurt to tell them to support monero

In terms of purely tech issues, could notify webdevs to cut the ads, spy scripts, Cloudflare etc. on their sites.

They would certainly laugh at this

Perhaps even *gasp* messaging politicians.

They certainly wouldn't care, hence, I wouldn't even bother

I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

that's a bit too optimistic, don't ya think? :)

- mia, devil's advocate

[qualia]

I'm currently in the process of emailing orgs about monero, no responses so far. I have dusted off an old laptop in order to use spyware on a different device and different connection than my main device, where i'll set up a fake normie identity with a bunch of social media accounts and the like. Perhaps that's overly paranoid but I'd rather be overly paranoid than not paranoid enough

[digdeeper]

Inserting yourself into conversations on reddit (or any other "popular" place) whenever a relevant topic comes up. For example, if you don't like the schooling system, and some left-winger talks about how we totally need free education, more accessible education, etc. you can ask "why do we need education in the form of today, if it has (xyz) flaws?". Any topic and subreddit could be chosen.

Use social media if you have access to it. Fediverse works well too, especially for challenging corporations which have their accounts there, often.

2nd: it is impossible to have a meaningful debate with Normies, and, you'd probably be mocked by them. Rely on big net strategy. If one out of 100 gets caught, mission accomplished. There are always many onlookers, too; I think the ratio was shown to be at least 100 lurkers to 1 participants, or even more.
3rd: you'd certainly be shadow banned. From reddit? My old account full of conspiracy posts is still up lol.
4th: they're probably AI, if they aren't LLMs, they may be a fed, in fact, you and I could be both AI models or glowies together, diggy-san. Some people are still there, it's enough to reach those I guess. Like all the old accounts from before good LLMs.
5th: just like what happened to your Lemmy instance, you'd certainly be censored by posting anything slightly off the lefty spectrum on the fediverse Then RIP. Hope I'll cause some ruckus before it happens. Also, I have my own instance lol. Even before that, I was there twice and my posts were retooted many times. (btw, I can give you a snac account if you'd like to try it, regardless)

E-mailing various organizations related to the topic you care about, if they exist. To remind them of their blind-spots, or just compliment them on good work, etc.

Most people within these organisations are very sensitive towards criticism, I don't think this would work, but I guess showing appreciation towards their work isn't a bad idea Then so be it. Another one for the big net.

Could try to message famous youtubers to cover something they haven't specifically, but is relevant to their audience. To both of the above, sadly they often lack contact info. But for those who do, use it.

You'd need a few millions dollars to do that Or target lesser youtubers until something sticks

If an outlet you like receives donations, tell them to support monero too.

They'd probably ignore the message, but I guess it doesn't hurt to tell them to support monero I did it twice. Twice refused, but not ignored.

In terms of purely tech issues, could notify webdevs to cut the ads, spy scripts, Cloudflare etc. on their sites.

They would certainly laugh at this Big net again.

Perhaps even *gasp* messaging politicians.

They certainly wouldn't care, hence, I wouldn't even bother Probably. Yet, I know one person for whom this has partially succeeded. With banal things though.

I believe we can bring real change if we focus.

that's a bit too optimistic, don't ya think? Well, it's either that or doomerism.

- mia, devil's advocate

replies with purple italics inside the quote because I can't be bothered to do it properly

I'm currently in the process of emailing orgs about monero, no responses so far. I have dusted off an old laptop in order to use spyware on a different device and different connection than my main device, where i'll set up a fake normie identity with a bunch of social media accounts and the like. Perhaps that's overly paranoid but I'd rather be overly paranoid than not paranoid enough

That's so based!

[GenericKeyboard]

I have spoken to a few people in real life about some of the ideas you talked about, namely, the education industry (there's also the other ones, like advertising, capitalism, the rights of children, etc, but education is the big one since that's the one people seem to forget how terrible it was). It's a mixed bag, some agree that schools are outright horrible, whereas some believe they need to be reformed by either requiring fewer hours for students to come into school or prioritising some subjects over others, etc.

The ones who seem receptive to the idea, I share your article since you explain it better than I could.

[mia]

Rely on big net strategy. If one out of 100 gets caught, mission accomplished. There are always many onlookers, too; I think the ratio was shown to be at least 100 lurkers to 1 participants, or even more

i wanted to highlight that most of the times that these internet discussions aren't worthy the time you spend on, and, you could have been doing something better

From reddit? My old account full of conspiracy posts is still up lol

i can't say anything about reddit, i don't browse the website

Some people are still there, it's enough to reach those I guess. Like all the old accounts from before good LLMs

they sadly are the minority, and, posts from actual humans end up obfuscated by the algorithim. if you can discuss with a account made by a human being, i wouldn't say that's wasted time

Then RIP. Hope I'll cause some ruckus before it happens. Also, I have my own instance lol. Even before that, I was there twice and my posts were retooted many times. (btw, I can give you a snac account if you'd like to try it, regardless)

as i implied, this isn't very sustainable and most people on those places, like the fediverse, are pretty much brain dead, hence, i don't think it's worthwhile to spend time on that. also, thank you, but i'm not interested on snac or anything similar

Then so be it. Another one for the big net

again, i was highlighting that e-mailing <<most>> of those organizations isn't worthwhile, as an example, i doubt e-mailing mozilla about anything will help unless you're one of thousands in a major boycott

I did it twice. Twice refused, but not ignored

i may retry this again

Probably. Yet, I know one person for whom this has partially succeeded. With banal things though

>> partially succeded << that's the most you will get in places like europe and america, in under developed countries you will only waste time

Well, it's either that or doomerism.

looking at the world today, we can see where we are heading to, it's inevitable, and, i don't think we can change that, but i do think we can enlighten people and resist.